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2015 General Election

Post by Lexi Collector on Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:00 pm

Well done to the SNP, that was the best PPB I've seen a very long time. Far more evoking than any of the half arsed dross put out by Liebour/Cuntservative or the Lib Dems. The only party that care for the people of Scotland.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by EdinburghLivi on Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:33 pm

Conservative unless I'm tactical voting. By far the most credible party that could make up a Government.
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Post by Bertie Bassett on Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:51 pm

EdinburghLivi wrote:Conservative unless I'm tactical voting. By far the most credible party that could make up a Government.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were being sarcastic...there are NO credible UK parties because all the "leading" politicians are jumped up wee boys who couldn't run a bath never mind a country.

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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:16 am

Tories are vile, Labour are too right wing and a joke, but we'll be stuck with one of them forming a coalition with some other joke of a party. Can see a Tory/Ukip coalition being our next government. If that happens we'll prob come out of Europe, the US banks will feck off to Ireland and everything the scare campaign told us would happen if we went for independence will happen in a BT UK.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Bertie Bassett on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:35 am

Latest polls show Labour with a slight lead & SNP having their biggest success at UK elections yet (ironic isn't it) & promising not to join forces with Smarmy Cameron; unfortunately that means they probably WILL offer to join forces with Ed Minipersonality but the beauty of that is that the SNP tail might just wag the Labour dog.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by mozam76 on Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:08 pm

I've seen too many false dawns and huge opinion polls to be swayed by them, so I'll take any predictions of 50+ SNP seats with a huge pinch of salt. Come May, the staunch Labour voters* who have always been red, "they've been good to me ken, done plenty for the community ken" will vote the way they always have.

If the SNP double what they have now, they'll have done well. 30 seats would be magic. Any higher and we're in to mindfuck territory, and I'll be drunk for days.

*clueless fuck who are painfully out of touch with 21st century Scotland/Britain/Europe...
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Bertie Bassett on Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:52 am

I used to take opinion polls with a pinch of salt but the referendum polls were pretty accurate.

I still think it is ironic that the SNP support rocketed after losing the referendum. Its as if the nation likes having them in power but are too afraid of the unknown to support full-on independence. Pity, especially when we see what is happening now is pretty much what we said would happen in the event of a "no" vote.

Also ironic that there may end up being a referendum on The UK's membership of "Europe" (surely leaving the EC would be a form of Independence?)
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Bertie Bassett on Wed May 06, 2015 11:35 pm

Well the day is almost here & we'll soon know how accurate the polls were....
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 12:21 am

Hope Labour get absolutely horsed and SNP win at least 48 seats.

Sick of all these referendum scare tactics from Labour, bloody still going on about the ref in a last ditch effort to win votes from SNP NO voters as it looks like Milliband's last scare tactic didn't work, saying he wouldn't work with the SNP so vote Labour if you don't want a Conservative Govt, thinking ex Labour voters would come back to his right wing don't give a monkeys about Scotland party.



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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 12:37 am

mozam76 wrote:I've seen too many false dawns and huge opinion polls to be swayed by them, so I'll take any predictions of 50+ SNP seats with a huge pinch of salt. Come May, the staunch Labour voters* who have always been red, "they've been good to me ken, done plenty for the community ken" will vote the way they always have.

If the SNP double what they have now, they'll have done well. 30 seats would be magic. Any higher and we're in to mindfuck territory, and I'll be drunk for days.

*clueless fuck who are painfully out of touch with 21st century Scotland/Britain/Europe...

The polls are predicting 53 SNP seats but I think that is a bit optimistic, Labour have been trying like a bear to scare voters back to them, and the other parties have even been hinting for their voters to make tactical votes. Even getting 40 seats would be a huge achievement for the SNP but I'm sure Labour will put some spin on it saying the SNP failed to get 50+ so it was a Labour victory. Rolling Eyes
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Lexi Collector on Thu May 07, 2015 12:45 am

I was set on the SNP, but all this trident/cutting austerity and food bank patter is too repetitive and monotone for my linking. My main concerns are NHS funding and waiting times and rebuilding our economy. I finish University for good on Friday and I have no well-paid full-time job to go into as of yet, but I feel I have more hope today than I would've 5 years ago. The Conservatives have done a good job of rebuilding the economy and I quite like David Cameron, but I feel this has come at the expense of the NHS. I was seen to by a specialist on the 2nd of December and we agreed I needed surgery - I was also marked under 'urgent' and was told it's be between 9-12 weeks. It's now May and I still haven't had a letter or date of appointment. I think we should have trident, I don't think food banks are a massive talking point, and forming an alternative is easier said than done.

I like the idea of Scottish independence, but its gone. If I had to vote it'd probably be Labour, but our MP seems like a cunt. Having said that, any vote other than an SNP one is a bit of a waste of time. Fully expect them to take a vast number of Scottish seats.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Afro on Thu May 07, 2015 10:36 am

Lexi, I'd say that Labour's repetitive drivel of "vote SNP, get Tory" is far more tiresome. I don't think I've watched Jim Murphy, Kezia Dugdale or any other Labour drone utter any more than two sentences before foaming at the mouth mentioning the Nats. They are absolutely done up here tbh, the area of society which they "catered" for quite rightly feel betrayed, and are now behind a party which, on paper, have a track record of delivering policies in HR which back up their claim as a party for social justice.

I'll be voting SNP, partly through necessity and partly through choice, if that makes sense. No Green candidate in this area which is disappointing, but the SNP are the next best thing I suppose. Think they've got the right intent in wanting rid of Trident, foodbanks and ending austerity, but their feet dragging over TTIP and hesitance over a total ban on fracking doesn't sit too well with me. Here's hoping they sweep Labour out of here tonight, though.

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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Durnford on Thu May 07, 2015 11:06 am

Had previously voted liberal for almost 40 years; not any more though after Clegg sold us out.

Will vote for labour as the only viable alternative (although to be honest I'd vote for a monkey if he promised to turn St Johns back into a hospital instead of a waiting room for Western General)
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 3:29 pm

I don't believe Labour in anything they say, yeah I know all politicians have a rep of being dodgy with the truth and their promises don't hold enough weight to stop a fart from blowing them away, but for me Labour is just another Westminster party that will screw us the moment they get power.
Their own party in Scotland have no say at all and Murphy got made a fool of (not difficult I know) when he was going on about no cuts in Scotland and 5 minutes later the Westminster Labour party announces there would be.

Since Blair Labour have gone over to the right and are just not representing their core voters. Scotland has had enough of them and they look finished up here.

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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Durnford on Thu May 07, 2015 3:47 pm

I just see the SNP as totally irrelevant in a UK election; they have some purpose in the Scottish parliament but are pretty much a wasted vote otherwise. Maybe Salmond will get courted if the balance is that fine but for the most part its difficult to see what they can bring to the table.

Of course they're not particularly helped by the couple of crooked SNP councillors who seem happy to overturn their own planning department's recommendations to refuse planning permission to a couple of suspect property developers.

I also know Graeme Morrice for someone who lives and champions Livingston although I have to admit Hannah Bardell is a lot better looking.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 4:32 pm

Durnford wrote:I just see the SNP as totally irrelevant in a UK election; they have some purpose in the Scottish parliament but are pretty much a wasted vote otherwise. Maybe Salmond will get courted if the balance is that fine but for the most part its difficult to see what they can bring to the table.

Of course they're not particularly helped by the couple of crooked SNP councillors who seem happy to overturn their own planning department's recommendations to refuse planning permission to a couple of suspect property developers.

I also know Graeme Morrice for someone who lives and champions Livingston although I have to admit Hannah Bardell is a lot better looking.

I don't believe SNP is irrelevant in a UK election D, the other parties certainly don't take them lightly as they've all ganged up on them are are quite plainly scared of them having an influence in Westminster.
There isn't a strong enough party to win a majority so the SNP will have a big say in Westminster, and can represent Scotland's interests, something a Westminster Labour wont be doing.

The SNP are also far more accountable to Scottish voters than Labour, they can be held accountable in elections, whereas Labour don't really give a monkeys, and Labour Scotland just get told what to do by their masters in Westminster who are clearly out of touch with voters in Scotland. Or as I prev said, just don't care, as they always thought we'd fall into line in a UK election and just vote for them anyway. We'll see how that works out for them today.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Bertie Bassett on Thu May 07, 2015 6:32 pm

Durnford wrote:Had previously voted liberal for almost 40 years; not any more though after Clegg sold us out.

Will vote for labour as the only viable alternative (although to be honest I'd vote for a monkey if he promised to turn St Johns back into a hospital instead of a waiting room for Western General)


Well Labour ain't gonna do that for you old chap.
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Post by Bertie Bassett on Thu May 07, 2015 6:36 pm

Durnford wrote:I just see the SNP as totally irrelevant in a UK election; they have some purpose in the Scottish parliament but are pretty much a wasted vote otherwise. Maybe Salmond will get courted if the balance is that fine but for the most part its difficult to see what they can bring to the table.

Of course they're not particularly helped by the couple of crooked SNP councillors who seem happy to overturn their own planning department's recommendations to refuse planning permission to a couple of suspect property developers.

I also know Graeme Morrice for someone who lives and champions Livingston although I have to admit Hannah Bardell is a lot better looking.

Scotland voted NO to independence (much to my disgust I admit) but the swing towards SNP since is proof positive that they are the party that people actually believe CAN make a difference for Scotland at Westminster. At first I found it ironic but now I realise it is totally consistent & logical for people who want Scotland's best interests served within the UK & the only possible way to do that is to have a large representation of MPs from a party that actually seeks to do that. This means that the SNP are completely relevant in a UK election.

I'm not counting the chickens yet but I am very hopeful that a few of them will come home to roost & that the SNP achieve a record number of seats.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 7:54 pm

Would say 30 odd seats would be a great result for SNP but hopefully they'll get far more than that.

Only thing that worries me is if they can't form a Govt and decide to have a 2nd general election, Labour would love that and it may be Milliband's plan if he isn't successful in scaring up enough votes away from projected SNP seats.
It would prob mean tactical voting from SNP to Labour just to keep the Tories out, something Milliband has been trying to get with his last ditch anti SNP scare propanganda.

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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Durnford on Thu May 07, 2015 9:04 pm

Liviforever wrote:I don't believe SNP is irrelevant in a UK election D, the other parties certainly don't take them lightly as they've all ganged up on them are are quite plainly scared of them having an influence in Westminster.
There isn't a strong enough party to win a majority so the SNP will have a big say in Westminster, and can represent Scotland's interests, something a Westminster Labour wont be doing.

The SNP are also far more accountable to Scottish voters than Labour, they can be held accountable in elections, whereas Labour don't really give a monkeys, and Labour Scotland just get told what to do by their masters in Westminster who are clearly out of touch with voters in Scotland. Or as I prev said, just don't care, as they always thought we'd fall into line in a UK election and just vote for them anyway. We'll see how that works out for them today.

An example of my point would be similar to the Rosyth v Plymouth naval shipyards competition.

If there's a multimillion pound defence contract to build the next generation of frigate a labour government may be wanting the award that contract to Rosyth to strengthen their position north of the boarder; the conservatives would certainly award it to Plymouth (or one of the other shipyards near their constituencies).

A strong SNP would actually play against the chances of getting that government business north of the border. Labour wouldn't want to strengthen the SNP's position and neither would the conservatives (unless, of course, they saw it as a further chance to weaken labour)

Ultimately I just see the SNP in Westminster as weakening Scotland's position.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 10:18 pm

It would weaken Labours position but I don't believe it would weaken Scotland's. If Labour and the Tories joined to get something through that the SNP voted against then I doubt it would be to the benefit of Scotland. And if Labour is just going to go against everything the SNP want then they truly are finished in Scotland and I can see IndyRef2 coming sooner rather than later. Win win for the SNP.

Labour are more concerned about votes in England than in Scotland and will be weighing that up when anything comes up about where to give contracts for jobs, the SNP are only interested in doing what's best for Scotland, no conflict of interest. Course deals can be done to get what you want as that's politics but their main goal is what's right for Scotland, Labour's aint and Labour in Westminster dictates what Scottish Labour does.
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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 10:38 pm


EXIT POLL: Conservatives largest party with 316 seats, Lab 239, LD 10, SNP 58, UKIP 2, Green 2, PC 4, Others 19.


Labour is getting a pasting in England too if the exit polls are correct. Great result for the SNP if they're right but doesn't look good overall with the Tories being just short of a majority and the LibDems could form another coalition with them to put them in power again.

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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Durnford on Thu May 07, 2015 10:46 pm

Liviforever wrote:It would weaken Labours position but I don't believe it would weaken Scotland's. If Labour and the Tories joined to get something through that the SNP voted against then I doubt it would be to the benefit of Scotland. And if Labour is just going to go against everything the SNP want then they truly are finished in Scotland and I can see IndyRef2 coming sooner rather than later. Win win for the SNP.

Labour are more concerned about votes in England than in Scotland and will be weighing that up when anything comes up about where to give contracts for jobs, the SNP are only interested in doing what's best for Scotland, no conflict of interest. Course deals can be done to get what you want as that's politics but their main goal is what's right for Scotland, Labour's aint and Labour in Westminster dictates what Scottish Labour does.

Wasn't suggesting that the labour and the tories would do a deal against Scotland but both would do what they would consider best to strengthen their positon.

Anyway if the exit polls are to be believed its all going to be fairly academic with the Conservatives forecast at 316 seats and Labour on 239.

Even if the SNP won every seat in Scotland and combined with Labour; they couldn't reach that target.

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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Durnford on Thu May 07, 2015 10:48 pm

Liviforever wrote:
EXIT POLL: Conservatives largest party with 316 seats, Lab 239, LD 10, SNP 58, UKIP 2, Green 2, PC 4, Others 19.


Labour is getting a pasting in England too if the exit polls are correct. Great result for the SNP if they're right but doesn't look good overall with the Tories being just short of a majority and the LibDems could form another coalition with them to put them in power again.

Probably a bit childish but I can't help but feel a certain pleasure at Clegg getting a pasting

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Re: 2015 General Election

Post by Liviforever on Thu May 07, 2015 10:50 pm

I think they had Neil Kinnock winning too so hopefully they're as spot on this time round.

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