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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Smithy on Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:46 pm

Mullen and White destroyed them in the last game but he decided to play one up against them today. Strange decision indeed.

A decision that cost us the game. For heavens sake Burchy get two forwards on and have a go against Alloa
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by livikev on Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:49 pm

That was dire - full marks to Ibra for ploughing that lone furrow and why the hell was Pitman taken off ? he put a shift in and looked like he wanted it for the jersey , Burchill and training staff need to have a good look at themselves as do some of the other shirkers that pulled on a jersey today.

I work hard all week and sometimes extra at the weekends - these useless wasters cant even do 90mins
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Smithy on Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:02 pm

Someone shouted from the crowd when Pitman was subbed saying wrong decision and Hopkin nearly twisted his head right round to stare up into the crowd as if to say.... Don't dare question us and our decision. That told me a lot of what is going on behind the scenes as I don't think they have a clue how to get us out of this mess. Hopkins has the wrong attitude worrying about fans comment rather spend your time concentrating on getting the correct formations and subs correct. Burchy talking nonsense lots of the time saying we can win every game and then saying that today's game wasn't a must win game. Burchy has a worse record than McGlynn who at least got us to a final. At this rate we won't even win it. Well if today wasn't a must win then next week certainly is.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Smithy on Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:19 pm

Oh I thought Ibra was totally useless today not a patch on White as a player at all  totally baffled how he stayed on the park for the full game. He can't play as a lone striker because he can't hold the ball up or bring others into play,he runs about like a headless chicken and missed a right good few good chances today. Also think Kyle needs dropped as he did nothing today of any note and Mullen was just knocked off the ball today. So for me a minimum of three changes and also change the formation for next week. Out Ibra Kyle and Mullen would bring in White Boulding and Glen and if Keaghan not fit McKenna. We need to make a right go of it next week against Alloa.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Liviforever on Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:02 pm

White can't play as a lone striker either, he has no pace to chase down balls and  has a poor first touch to bring it into himself, also the rare occasion he wins a header it goes to the opposition because he's up there himself. He has also has missed just as many chances in games as Ibra did today.
I don't actually think it would make a difference who was playing up front, the problem was we needed 2 strikers playing up front not 1.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Smithy on Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:33 pm

Liviforever wrote:White can't play as a lone striker either, he has no pace to chase down balls and  has a poor first touch to bring it into himself, also the rare occasion he wins a header it goes to the opposition because he's up there himself. He has also has missed just as many chances in games as Ibra did today.
I don't actually think it would make a difference who was playing up front, the problem was we needed 2 strikers playing up front not 1.
I agree with you we need two strikers  however I have a totally different view of White than yourself. He has a good first touch he holds the ball up well he brings others into play he defends at corners he creates chances has the most assists in the team and he is top goalscorer all of which should get him a starting position.  He has done all of this playing without a lot of service and today when we have Pitman and Cole who will create chances we play with Ibra upfront on his own.totally baffling. Hopefully this will change for next week's game.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Bertie Bassett on Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:20 am

Cole was probably our best player, followed by Pittman. We missed Keaghan's influence in the second half. As others have said we were the better side for the first half but came out for the second half like we used to under McGlynn, lethargic, lazy & lousy.

Kyle should have cleared the ball before getting caught in possession but the wall was useless & DJ was slow going down to a free kick that was always going to be struck low as the guy hitting it didn't have the skill to get it over the wall & down again from the position it was in. The second goal was a formality after that, poor attempt at a headed clearance & no one following it out to close down any striking option thus giving the guy a free, clear hit at it.

9th is the best we can hope for & we have to beat both Alloa & Cowdenbeath if that is to be achieved.

Yet another shocker of a performance to follow on from a good one...and that is why we are where we are; although the 5 point deduction hasn't helped it should NOT have been insurmountable.

Someone amongst he "DBM" made the observation that when Dumbarton went forward in the second half they did so in numbers while we left Ibra on his own & were too slow to help him. Yet we were the side that needed the points.

Its painful to watch at the moment.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Liviforever on Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:22 am

Ah well we'll just have to disagree about White, esp his first touch. His goal scoring is too sporadic, scores 2 or 3 in one game then nothing for 16 games, I don't think he's consistent enough, but then again none of our players are. Ibra had scored 2 in 2 games though, against Hibs and Sevco, so was always going to start.

Read White had a bug or something though so prob why he was benched, should've come on sooner than he did though, don't think he's an impact player that will come on late and do something. I would start both him and Ibra next week as I don't think Boulding and White would work, both aren't blessed with pace and are a bit too similar, I think you need either Mullen or Ibra to do the leg work for them.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Liviforever on Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:30 am

It's embarrassing that we can't at least catch Cowdenbeath, their GD gets more shocking with every game yet unless we can draw level with them it is of no advantage to us.

Agree with you Bertie, I think 9th and a play off place is the best we can hope for now, can see Alloa picking up the odd point to get to safety. A bit fearful of Cowden picking up another draw with Sevco too, that would finish us.

Unless we win next week then it really will be over, even if we win it will still be a struggle but it's now last, last chance saloon.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Bertie Bassett on Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:35 am

Bertie Bassett wrote:
Liviforever wrote:
Lexi Collector wrote:2-1 Dumbarton

Mon Bertie take a gamble on a Livi win to catch Lexi up in the predictions. pirat

Buoyed by the confidence that must be coursing through the ranks...

Livi 2 Dumbarton 2

FG 18 mins


Sorry LF couldn't bring myself to predict a win....I don't think I've been right at anytime that I have done so this season.

Why did I have to be so positive?

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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Livi2IDie on Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:48 am

Liviforever you have no clue or no facts either your clueless pal, we needs points but play one striker and bench our top goalscorer - mindless Burchy & Hoppy - A ginger fud he does nothing but shout like a physco!

Subs were poor and tactics wrong today again - sorry these guys need to go - let our youth coach take over will easily do better than these two numpties!


It's actually not too late but that's a horrible result - I like Burchy but the guys got a horrible record now - get him to feck!

Mon the cup final win cause we are Donald Ducked in the league!

Burchy out

Hoppy out

Sack the Board!

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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Edward snowdon on Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:51 am

Burchill or the board whoever is picking the team and making the subs are fecking clueless. We are winning a game 1-0 with 10 minutes to play and what do the inept manangement do - take off a midfielder and put on The Hippo!!! WTF no manager in any league wanting to see out the last 10 minutes would make that change stand up and take the blame Burchy. Burton a defensive midfielder with vast experiance should have been the change because that was all that was on the bench apart from strikers and attacking midfielders -why ? Where was Rutherford or Donaldson not a single defender on the bench pathetic Burchill. Yes we missed chances but the reality is we were winning and should have shored up defensively and held out for the vital 3points . Also why the hell we bring in anaother journeyman striker - hes completed 5 starts and 8 sub appearances and 1 goalin 2 years at 3 different clubs since leaving us electric stuff !!
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Liviforever on Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:58 pm

Livi2IDie wrote:Liviforever you have no clue or no facts either your clueless pal, we needs points but play one striker and bench our top goalscorer - mindless Burchy & Hoppy - A ginger fud he does nothing but shout like a physco!

Subs were poor and tactics wrong today again - sorry these guys need to go - let our youth coach take over will easily do better than these two numpties!


It's actually not too late but that's a horrible result - I like Burchy but the guys got a horrible record now - get him to feck!

Mon the cup final win cause we are Donald Ducked in the league!

Burchy out

Hoppy out

Sack the Board!

What are you blethering about?

Gonna let me in on what facts these are cause you're making no sense.

What youth coach are you wanting to take over, Hastings? Too much sauce for you L2ID.

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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Livi2IDie on Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:06 pm

Edward snowdon wrote:Burchill or the board whoever is picking the team and making the subs are fecking clueless. We are winning a game 1-0 with 10 minutes to play and what do the inept manangement do - take off a midfielder and put on The Hippo!!! WTF no manager in any league wanting to see out the last 10 minutes would make that change stand up and take the blame Burchy. Burton a defensive midfielder with vast experiance should have been the change because that was all that was on the bench apart from strikers and attacking midfielders -why ? Where was Rutherford or Donaldson not a single defender on the bench pathetic Burchill. Yes we missed chances but the reality is we were winning and should have shored up defensively and held out for the vital 3points . Also why the hell we bring in anaother journeyman striker - hes completed 5 starts and 8 sub appearances and 1 goalin 2 years at 3 different clubs since leaving us electric stuff !!

Spot on!!

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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Livi2IDie on Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:19 pm

Liviforever wrote:
Livi2IDie wrote:Liviforever you have no clue or no facts either your clueless pal, we needs points but play one striker and bench our top goalscorer - mindless Burchy & Hoppy - A ginger fud he does nothing but shout like a physco!

Subs were poor and tactics wrong today again - sorry these guys need to go - let our youth coach take over will easily do better than these two numpties!


It's actually not too late but that's a horrible result - I like Burchy but the guys got a horrible record now - get him to feck!

Mon the cup final win cause we are Donald Ducked in the league!

Burchy out

Hoppy out

Sack the Board!

What are you blethering about?

Gonna let me in on what facts these are cause you're making no sense.

What youth coach are you wanting to take over, Hastings? Too much sauce for you L2ID.

Talking a lot of sense, too much for you - get Burchy out makes a lot of sense he's unfortunately not got it I'm afraid.

The facts are that White & Glen were both fit enough to start in a must win game and you want one upfront don't be silly.

Yes Hastings but anybody would be better than the current management that is the point!

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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Liviforever on Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:29 pm

You aren't talking any sense, that's the problem. Go quote me where I said I wanted 1 up front, I've said several times it was a mistake and we should've had 2 up front. Also said taking Pittman off was a mistake, if you're going put Hippo on then Mullen should've been the one to come off, as he's a striker playing in midfield. I think you're needing to read posts properly or get your facts right before posting nonsense.


I don't know if White was fit enough to start, I read pre match against Sevco he had a bug and that's why he didn't start in that game. He only came on for the last 10 mins.

Here is my first post match post, pretty sure I didn't say I wanted 1 up front.

Liviforever wrote:Thought the same as above posts, Ibra needed another player up front as he was running around chasing down balls but didn't have anyone to pass to. Also agree Pittman should've stayed on as he was helping to boss our midfield, and I'd have subbed Mullen for White with at least 25 mins to go. Another goal would've killed the game off but we should've still been able to see it out at 1-0. Kyle dallied with the ball until he got mugged and then fouled their player, just had a sinking feeling in my stomach seeing where their free kick was, you just knew they were going to score,

Their 2nd goal prob makes no difference to us, we needed all 3 points here. Alloa and Cowden have lost today too but we can't win games to catch them and have no confidence we'll beat alloa next week either.

Was a sore one as we were pretty comfortable all game after getting an early goal, the game had kinda died down too as there was no tempo or urgency from either team, which suited us, gutted to lose but I'm not even angry about it now, I've gone past that stage and am onto acceptance, we're going down.

Here's the one I made on LL last night.

[QUOTE=LIVIFOREVER;406967]Ibra missed a couple of excellent chances and Kyle dallied on the ball which caused the free kick that they scored from when he lost possession. Key point for me though was playing 1 up front, we should've had 2 strikers up front against Dumbarton at home, we weren't playing Hearts, Hibs or Sevco but looked like we were scared to actually play for a win. Taking off Pittman was also a mistake, he was doing well in midfield, if you're going to sub someone from midfield where we were bossing the game then take off Mullen who is actually a striker playing in midfield.

Afraid we've just blown yet another chance to get into a position where we could get off the bottom of the table. Cowden and Alloa lost today too but if we can't win a bloody game then it doesn't matter if they lose, looks like we've had it now.[/QUOTE]
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Afro on Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:05 pm

Neil Hastings as head coach. jocolor

Think we'd be hitting rock bottom at supersonic speeds if that were to happen.

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Post by Livi2IDie on Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:09 pm

Afro wrote:Neil Hastings as head coach. jocolor

Think we'd be hitting rock bottom at supersonic speeds if that were to happen.

This isn't the point - we are rock bottom can't get worse lol.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Bertie Bassett on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:17 pm

Livi2IDie wrote:
Afro wrote:Neil Hastings as head coach. jocolor

Think we'd be hitting rock bottom at supersonic speeds if that were to happen.

This isn't the point - we are rock bottom can't get worse lol.

Of course it can get worse; when we lose to Alloa it will be worse.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by LiviCub on Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:55 am

It's an akward situation for any manager to either stick or twist following a decent performance in the previous match but the best managers are the ones who are ruthless. Burchill should've forgotten about the Rangers game completely and started a team capable of beating Dumbarton. Ibra needs support up front from the start when he's up against brutes like Andy Graham.

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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Livi2IDie on Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:25 am

Liviforever wrote:You aren't talking any sense, that's the problem. Go quote me where I said I wanted 1 up front, I've said several times it was a mistake and we should've had 2 up front. Also said taking Pittman off was a mistake, if you're going put Hippo on then Mullen should've been the one to come off, as he's a striker playing in midfield. I think you're needing to read posts properly or get your facts right before posting nonsense.


I don't know if White was fit enough to start, I read pre match against Sevco he had a bug and that's why he didn't start in that game. He only came on for the last 10 mins.

Here is my first post match post, pretty sure I didn't say I wanted 1 up front.

Liviforever wrote:Thought the same as above posts, Ibra needed another player up front as he was running around chasing down balls but didn't have anyone to pass to. Also agree Pittman should've stayed on as he was helping to boss our midfield, and I'd have subbed Mullen for White with at least 25 mins to go. Another goal would've killed the game off but we should've still been able to see it out at 1-0. Kyle dallied with the ball until he got mugged and then fouled their player, just had a sinking feeling in my stomach seeing where their free kick was, you just knew they were going to score,

Their 2nd goal prob makes no difference to us, we needed all 3 points here. Alloa and Cowden have lost today too but we can't win games to catch them and have no confidence we'll beat alloa next week either.

Was a sore one as we were pretty comfortable all game after getting an early goal, the game had kinda died down too as there was no tempo or urgency from either team, which suited us, gutted to lose but I'm not even angry about it now, I've gone past that stage and am onto acceptance, we're going down.

Here's the one I made on LL last night.

LIVIFOREVER;406967 wrote:Ibra missed a couple of excellent chances and Kyle dallied on the ball which caused the free kick that they scored from when he lost possession. Key point for me though was playing 1 up front, we should've had 2 strikers up front against Dumbarton at home, we weren't playing Hearts, Hibs or Sevco but looked like we were scared to actually play for a win. Taking off Pittman was also a mistake, he was doing well in midfield, if you're going to sub someone from midfield where we were bossing the game then take off Mullen who is actually a striker playing in midfield.

Afraid we've just blown yet another chance to get into a position where we could get off the bottom of the table. Cowden and Alloa lost today too but if we can't win a bloody game then it doesn't matter if they lose, looks like we've had it now.

Apologies Liviforever, this team sadly drives me to drink!

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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Durnford on Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:38 am

A dreadful game that defies description. Dumbarton were absolutely awful and we should have killed them off in the first half - but didn't.

We had the shorted front line with Pitman; Sekajja and Mullen so what do we do - play header tennis of course. How many times did we play a high ball up to Sekajja only for one of their central defenders to lean over him and head it out (he didn't even have to jump). If we were going to play the high ball game then White should have been on from the start; probably in place of Mullen.

The whole team lacked any form of leadership and guidance and the bench didn't seem that bothered or animated about trying to gee things up. We've played pretty much a whole season without a captain out there; in fact its probably true to say the last team captain we had was Fox as Mensing did pretty much begger all in the leadership and motivational stakes. Defensively Fordyce was shaky again; Talbot kept wandering away from the right wing leaving a gap and how many times did Sives or Gallagher play a Dumbarton player onside by not keeping up with the line.

I agree with most that none of our substitutes covered themselves with glory, not sure if Hippolyte actually touched the ball and McKenna did pretty much nothing of note. White certainly isn't an impact striker and bringing him on at the end smacked of desperation.

In reality Pitman is the only one that comes away with any form of pass-mark; we were still winning 1-0 when he was strangely substituted; despite his lack of high he was still causing their defence plenty of trouble - also Keaghan added a degree of bite to the first half; I appreciate he was taken off for an injury but McKenna was no form of a replacement.

Mathematically we're still not out of it but I trouble to see where our next win will come from if we couldn't even hold on to a 1 - nil lead against that shower for fifteen minutes.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Afro on Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:03 pm

Two days on and I still can't understand why Burchill hauled Pittman off when he was running the show. Still infuriating and mystifying, but here's hoping he gets the full 90 on Saturday.

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Post by Durnford on Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:06 pm

Afro wrote:Two days on and I still can't understand why Burchill hauled Pittman off when he was running the show. Still infuriating and mystifying, but here's hoping he gets the full 90 on Saturday.

Actually he also looked pretty mystified by the move - and none too happy.
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Re: Livi v Dumbarton

Post by Liviforever on Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:49 pm

Livi2IDie wrote:


Apologies Liviforever, this team sadly drives me to drink!

No worries, was just confused as to why you were giving me grief, lol.

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