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Afro

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Re: Transfer Rumours, Players In/Out

Post by Afro on Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:08 pm

The issue is for me, as it was the first time we re-signed Gallagher, is the way Livingston handle it. When he originally signed in 2014, there's no doubt the club knew that this could be a potential issue regarding his long-term future. I know it's not the greatest barometer of a person's nature, but given what I've seen of him on a football pitch he doesn't strike me as a violent guy who obviously has a very temperamental personality. Ultimately, from what I've read and I may be wrong, only three people know what happened in the incident: Declan, his friend, and the victim. He's maintained his innocence from the get-go and he's served some of his time behind bars. Everyone's entitled to a second chance in society, and as a professional footballer, he shouldn't be treated any differently.

However, the way that Livi have handled it since the day he signed hasn't done them any favours whatsoever, and now it's culminated in the inevitable shitshow that will ensue if (when?) he does re-sign once more. It's genuinely staggering, to me anyway, that it seems not a single person with any sort of control or influence at the club has any sense of public relations, or how to present a situation. If Livi had proposed his original re-signing was part of the rehabilitation process, and not created some sort of siege mentality when they went pretty loopy with statements about Declan being the "victim", it probably would've been easier to bear for most of the concerned fans and the wider Scottish footballing diaspora. Instead, what we now have is the image that Livi are absolutely falling over themselves to sign this guy based on promises made by Mark Burchill, of all people.

Declan Gallagher, when fully fit, is a Premiership-standard defender. If he signs, he'll be a standout in this division, and probably the league above too. In a purely footballing sense, he is an obvious upgrade over Crighton, Halkett and Lithgow, there's no doubt about it. However, for as long as I can remember, Livingston FC has had an image problem as a pitstop for shysters and shadier characters. Is Gallagher a complete fruitcake, like Massone, or a fairly obvious crook, like Martindale? I'd say no, but the facts don't lie: he's been convicted of a very serious crime and he's very lucky to be serving 1/3 of a prison sentence, more or less. It's astonishing that the club really don't have a clue why the fanbase can't expand; there isn't a feel-good feeling around the place, despite the fact we're top of the league. They ask what can be done to bring fans back, to bring new people in, then commit a PR own-goal like this (if it goes through).

If Livingston FC was a normal club, there would be little issue with this by and large and it would be spun in such a way that the club is serving as part of the rehabilitation process. But is the short-term gain offered here worth the additional damage to an already battered PR image? You can't expect to progress a football club if there's no positive engagement anywhere.
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Re: Transfer Rumours, Players In/Out

Post by Liviforever on Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:39 pm

I don't think Gallagher is a great issue other than some fans on forums being morally outraged, I doubt our att would drop over his signing.

For me the constant fragile state of our finances is a bigger issue, stability and continuity are two things we need for things to settle down and fans to be attracted back to the stadium. Just to have 2 or 3 seasons without any off field dramas would be good.
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Post by LiviCub on Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:52 pm

To be brutally honest, I do not care about Gallagher's past but the obvious main concern is another 'negative' story relating to our club. As Afro has mentioned, it's more so the keyboard warriors of other clubs on Pie & Bovril who are making the biggest noise. I would only take notice if as soon as Gallagher puts on a Livingston shirt again, the attendance of our home games drops to an ever poorer figure only because of one player. The noise will be reduced to almost silence after his first game when everyone just gets on with it.

I don't see that drop in attendance though. In this sport, human nature shows that if a team is winning, people will slowly turn up and we should see a slight/very small increase in attendance as the season progresses.

Sticking with the purpose of this thread, I've heard through one of his friends that Liam Watt has been offered the chance to go back to Airdrie on loan. If this is true, I'd have no problems with it. He's barely made an impact when given the chance and we have players much more capable of doing damage in this league. The loan might even do him good to prove a point to Hopkin.

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Re: Transfer Rumours, Players In/Out

Post by Durnford on Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:44 pm

See from the official site that our squad has shrunk quite dramatically. Looks like Somerville is away without ever making a first team appearance; Darren Smith moves on seeking first team football and most surprisingly Conor Quinn has been released - presumably because we have such excellent goalkeeping options already?????
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Post by Liviforever on Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:51 pm

I don't blame Quinn for moving on, don't think we've a GK coach and he's not going to get a 1st team game when Maley is picked over him, much the same as DJ, he'd be better trying his luck somewhere else.

Going to need a GK for next season but that's a problem for then, East Fife games aside Kelly has done ok for us this season.

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Post by Durnford on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:20 am

Liviforever wrote:I don't blame Quinn for moving on, don't think we've a GK coach and he's not going to get a 1st team game when Maley is picked over him, much the same as DJ, he'd be better trying his luck somewhere else.

Going to need a GK for next season but that's a problem for then, East Fife games aside Kelly has done ok for us this season.

I don't blame Quinn either but I've been pretty unimpressed with Kelly and Maley is appalling

I wonder what the chance is of getting DJ back?
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Post by Liviforever on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:33 am

Durnford wrote:
Liviforever wrote:I don't blame Quinn for moving on, don't think we've a GK coach and he's not going to get a 1st team game when Maley is picked over him, much the same as DJ, he'd be better trying his luck somewhere else.

Going to need a GK for next season but that's a problem for then, East Fife games aside Kelly has done ok for us this season.

I don't blame Quinn either but I've been pretty unimpressed with Kelly and Maley is appalling

I wonder what the chance is of getting DJ back?

DJ wasn't really any better, he was great at saving pens but couldn't position himself for free kicks to save himself. Maybe he's had some decent coaching at Accies and has improved, hope so anyway.

I take it we'd have to get an emergency loan for a keeper if Kelly left or got injured.

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Post by Durnford on Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:50 pm

See Declan Gallagher's return has now been confirmed until the end of the season.

In my opinion he should walk straight into the team but at the expense of whom?
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Post by Liviforever on Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:06 pm

He hasn't played a competitive game for a year so don't really know how sharp he is. Suppose it depends how he's done in training if the manager thinks he's fine to be fired right into the action. I'd get him into a Development game too, to help get him up to speed match fitness wise.

Hopefully he doesn't take long to catch up fitness/sharpness wise, he'll be a big influence in our defence when he does. Reckon he'll be the playmaker taking the ball out of defence, which should help improve our build up play from back to front.
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Post by LiviCub on Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:12 pm

Seen Callum Carson's tweet about Mark Millar signing for us which I think is fantastic. I've always rated him and he's always had a good game against us. Gives a bit of competition to Byrne and Pittman which is needed from now until the end of the season.
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Post by Liviforever on Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:19 pm

If we're bringing back old players, De Vita & Gallagher, i'd rather see Keaghan back too than signing Millar. Keaghan and Pittman in CM would be awesome in League One.

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Post by Steam Pudding on Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:55 pm

Durnford wrote:
Liviforever wrote:I don't blame Quinn for moving on, don't think we've a GK coach and he's not going to get a 1st team game when Maley is picked over him, much the same as DJ, he'd be better trying his luck somewhere else.

Going to need a GK for next season but that's a problem for then, East Fife games aside Kelly has done ok for us this season.

I don't blame Quinn either but I've been pretty unimpressed with Kelly and Maley is appalling

I wonder what the chance is of getting DJ back?

"Maley is appalling" - what's that based on? Pretty much only been used in cup games and has acquitted himself well.
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Re: Transfer Rumours, Players In/Out

Post by Bertie Bassett on Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:19 pm

His kicking is either great (rare) or woeful (common); his handling is suspect, his distribution is poor & his shot stopping is average... Apart from that he's great.
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Post by Liviforever on Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:11 am

From what I remember Maley pulled off a few good saves against Crusaders in both games against them. He was getting a hell of a lot of pass backs against TNS, in bad conditions, so wouldn't judge him in that game. Flapped a bit at high balls and had a couple of dodgy punches that didn't quite clear the danger. Big laddie though and has a presence in the box for set pieces and got down quickly for low shots too.

Couldn't really say how he'd do if he was all we had and came in for league games, prob would be fine.

Kelly has done well for the most part but I can only really remember a couple of cracking saves he's made to get us points, for the majority of games he doesn't really have to make any saves that are too difficult.
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Post by orco on Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:46 am

These transfers are ok but I'd like to see us get Pitman and Buchanan tied up for another season.

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Post by Durnford on Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:30 pm

See Liam Watt's gone to Brechin City now

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Post by forzalfc on Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:40 pm

Mark Millar confirmed as well, cracking signing!
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Post by Liviforever on Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:51 pm

Yeah Watt freed to bring in Millar, and signs for Brechin. Certainty he'll score against us next time we play Brechin.

Agreed Orco, would be great if we got Pittman and Buchanan signed up for another couple of seasons, we'll need them next season if we get promoted to the Championship.
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Post by LiviCub on Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:01 pm

Liam Kelly kept on loan for the rest of the season. Although he hasn't kept many clean sheets, he's still been a key player, making some impressive saves. You can tell he's a player who is still developing and we have to remember he's only turning 21 this month. At least that avoids the rush to sign a keeper.
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Post by Bertie Bassett on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:03 pm

It's a stop gap move though, we need to be securing the services of a properly signed goalie.
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Re: Transfer Rumours, Players In/Out

Post by Afro on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:40 pm

Happy that we'll have some continuity in a sense until the end of the season, at least. I do agree that we need to find a permanent solution to the GK problem sooner rather than later, I'm not Kelly's biggest fan by any means, so if better (and available) 'keepers were out there we'd be daft not to look at them. In saying that, I'd rather have Kelly than Maley starting next season in the Championship; the prospect of the latter as #1 gives me the fear.
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Post by Liviforever on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:06 pm

I'd be pretty happy if we got Gallagher to stay on and play in the Championship, I think him and Halkett would be a good CB pairing at that level.

Right now though i'm checking the OS each day for contract extension news, Halkett, Pittman and Buchanan are Championship quality and would be great seeing them sign on for another couple of seasons.
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Post by Afro on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:39 am

I saw Callum Carson tweeting that we're expected to tie down two or three players to longer contracts in the coming few days.

I'd expect it to be Pittman, Buchanan and Halkett. Out of all of them, I'd be most gutted if Pittman moved on. Great player.

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Post by forzalfc on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:29 am

Also saying that at least 1 player will be leaving the club on loan.

Between Neill, Currie & Sinclair it'd be good to see the 2 or 3 of them going elsewhere for first team games.
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Post by Liviforever on Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:01 pm

Yeah both Dorrans and Snoddy went out on loan for a spell and it did them good, esp Snoddy, I think Currie and Neill would benefit and then get a chance in the team next season. I think Sinclair will be let go whenever we can do so, Byrne and Miller have been chosen over him and he just isn't going to get games now, but I still think there is some hope for Currie and Neill.

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