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Bertie Bassett

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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Bertie Bassett on Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:53 pm

I agree they created more chances but they didn't work the keeper; I can only recall DJ making one save that troubled him all game & that was 2nd half when he touched one over the bar which in all honesty was going over anyway. So while they perhaps dominated possession in the first half I wasn't really too worried about them at that stage. Had they scored then the game would have changed (goals change games) & we may well have got a reaction from our boys quicker, so it is purely hypothetical to say they could have been out of sight by half time.

By comparison, City v Chelsea yesterday, Aguero worked the keeper on most of his chances before he scored, that was a truly dominant performance in which but for the keeper City could have been out of sight...but whose to say what would have happened if City had scored on that first Aguerro chance? It may well have shaken Chelsea out of their lethargy.

The biggest difference between QoS & us was that they worked together as a team, whereas we struggled to do that but had some decent individual performances.
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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Liviforever on Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:25 pm

Bertie Bassett wrote:I agree they created more chances but they didn't work the keeper; I can only recall DJ making one save that troubled him all game & that was 2nd half when he touched one over the bar which in all honesty was going over anyway. So while they perhaps dominated possession in the first half I wasn't really too worried about them at that stage. Had they scored then the game would have changed (goals change games) & we may well have got a reaction from our boys quicker, so it is purely hypothetical to say they could have been out of sight by half time.

By comparison, City v Chelsea yesterday, Aguero worked the keeper on most of his chances before he scored, that was a truly dominant performance in which but for the keeper City could have been out of sight...but whose to say what would have happened if City had scored on that first Aguerro chance? It may well have shaken Chelsea out of their lethargy.

The biggest difference between QoS & us was that they worked together as a team, whereas we struggled to do that but had some decent individual performances.

Yeah their shooting was like ours against Raith, woeful. Going into HT when we got 3 corners in a row I was starting to get my hopes up that we could sneak a goal from a set piece and take the wind out of them. They're def a lot better looking team than Raith yet only beat us 1-0, funny od game football.
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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by spiggle on Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:13 am

Bertie Bassett wrote:Disagree that QoS deserved to win, we were as good as them, which isn't saying much. Also disagree with Spiggle on Glen, he put in a shift and was infinitely more useful than Mullen who just wasn't at the races on Saturday, he is a much better player than that performance so hopefully he's got that out of his system now.
There were a number of very odd decisions by the officials, a QoS player handled it in our box, result? Free kick to QoS outside the box! If it was Dec that handled it then it should have been a pen. Sives clearly pushed a QoS man in the box, result? Play on! The Hippo incident was also a shocking decision

Glen did put in a shift but he was pretty ineffictive because he was out of position.

QOS were better than we were but their finishing was woeful. They had 3 or 4 clear cut chances where anyone but Jordan White and Derek Lyle would have scored them. Jamieson made a smashing save in the 1st half tipping one round the post. I don't think that "testing the keeper" indicates how dominant one team is.

We failed to test the keeper numerous times last season due to the inablilty to guide the ball between the shiny white sticks by Jordan White.

Not a great game for us but IMO there was too many players out of position and they looked lost out there and due to that, the team struggled to gel.
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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Smithy on Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:22 pm

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Bertie Bassett wrote:

We failed to test the keeper numerous times last season due to the inablilty to guide the ball between the shiny white sticks by Jordan White.

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Spiggle just out of curiosity How many goals do you think White should be scoring for Livi as you and others in our support have an expectation that far exceeds the chances made.

Last year's championship top ten goalscorers came from only five teams. 3 of these teams were in the top three positions. The other two teams represented were Livi and Alloa with White and Buchanan.

Hearts had 4 Hibs 2 Queens 2 Livi 1 Alloa 1

White only had 6 players in the whole of the championship in front of him and one of them was Buchanan.

Yet we are hearing already Buchanan is shite White isn't good enough,time for a reality check by some of our fans as we have two of the best strikers in the league playing for us.

My take on it is different from yours in that the Bigman did well to get as many goals in our team last year, important goals too, as Buchanan is proving it's not easy to score when you play for Liv

HIBS Hearts and Queens play expansive attacking football and create loads more clear chances than ourselves. Have a think back to Saturdays game and the chances they created

Let's get behind the team and realise the talent we have rather than constant moans and unrealistic expectations.
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Post by EdinburghLivi on Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:43 pm

Yeah that was really, really bad on Saturday. Things were grim last season but I always remember thinking back to games very early on and knowing that the team had it in them to get us out of the problems - I haven't seen anything in 3 games yet to suggest we won't be in the bottom 2, outside of a disastrous season from other teams.

Darren Cole looked out of sorts and unfit, absolutely no idea what he was meant to be doing throughout the game. I felt sorry for Hippolyte being stuck at left back with no real chance to create anything but he did an okay job in the circumstances. Best performance in our side aside from Gary Glen who was having some joy with threading passes into dangerous areas.

I've no doubt we'll improve as the season goes on due to the decent players in the squad but this needs to happen with some urgency.
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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Smithy on Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:03 am

Spiggle still waiting on your answer regarding goals from Big Jordan.

Very quiet from you
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Post by spiggle on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:22 am

Smithy wrote:Spiggle still waiting on your answer regarding goals from Big Jordan.

Very quiet from you

Apologies for not meeting your "timescales" as I've not been online.

My answer is not down to number of goals but the amount of clear cut chances, some would call sitters that White missed last season that should have been goals.

White at the end of the season and the start of last season scored some goals and thankfully scored some goals at the end of the season which helped with our survival.

He did miss some absolute howlers and went on a run for about 11 games at the end of last year where it was game after game where we were dropping points and White had missed some big open goals. He never really regained his form of the early part of the season until Burchill had taken over and White had settled into Burchill's style of play.

Last season he went from 20th September to 28th March and scored 4 goals over a period of 27 games which is not what you are looking for from your main striker (only striker in a lot of those games). This was the period that we struggled to pick up results and was bottom of the league and on 28th March, myself and the rest of the Livi support realistically thought we were playing Seaside football for the next season.

I honestly think he was adjusting to the team and the division and I honestly hope that his woes are behind him and he can find some form and score a few goals this season.

I think we're seeing something similar from Buchanan. Its taking him a few games to settle into our style of play and due to the upheaval we've had over the summer, its taken the whole team time to settle together and hopefully we'll see some results and a better league position than last season.

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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Smithy on Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:50 pm

You are correct in saying our style of play doesn't help the striker as the midfield doesn't create as many clear cut chances as many of our support think should result in goals.

White has started 37 games for us since he joined and he has scored 17 goals for us , pretty decent IMO.

White is a top striker in this division as his record shows.
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Post by spiggle on Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:07 pm

Smithy wrote:You are correct in saying our style of play doesn't help the striker as the midfield doesn't create as many clear cut chances as many of our support think should result in goals.

White has started 37 games for us since he joined and he has scored 17 goals for us , pretty decent IMO.

White is a top striker in this division as his record shows.


I agree with the first statement. I think Burchill isn't sure of the best formation / style to suit this squad and when he does it will click and the chances will come.

White has a decent goals to game ratio if you look at it that way but the danger we have is that he goes barren like he did last winter. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a fair weather Fred.

I don't think he's a "top striker" yet in this division. I still think we've to see the best of White. When he makes the step up and we do see the best of him, then I think he will be a "top striker" in this divison.
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Post by Smithy on Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:00 pm

Step up to where spiggle , do you know omethimg we don't?

i know you talk about barren spells but all strikers have them , he was 7th top scorer  in the championship last year, Buchanan was 4th. White has managed 2 this year and Buchanan hasn't got off the mark yet but I'm sure he will soon.

A wee look at Whites past history on Wiki will tell you he has been top scorer for the clubs he has been with over the last four years , including currently our top scorer, so it wouldn't surprise me if he gets a step up to a bigger club in the not too distant future right enough.

However if you know something spill the beans please.
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Post by Liviforever on Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:37 pm

White was too sporadic last season, he went 16 games without scoring a goal, then scored 5 in a few games, I'd rather he did it in one's and two's more regularly than 3's and two's every blue moon. Over the season his goal tally was impressive for a club down the bottom end of the league, but not scoring for 16 games aint good.

He was dropped to the bench in the run in and was fantastic coming off the bench and scoring, maybe he just needed a rest, or a kick up the butt to focus his mind on scoring, worked for Mullen too when he got dropped.

I was hoping Buchanan would pick up the slack this season when White and Mullen went off the boil but all 3 are struggling at the same time just now, prob because our midfield need to get the ball to them more. So far we've not had a settled team at the back or in midfield so hopefully now Gordon is available, Farid has signed, and both our FB's are fit and available, we can get a more balanced team with Hippo getting down the wing and Pittman through the middle supplying our strikers.
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Post by Bertie Bassett on Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:50 pm

I think Spiggle is saying when he makes the step up to fulfil his potential, hopefully with us, rather than step up to a higher level at another club. I could be wrong but that is how I understood his comments. To be honest I tend to agree with him. In the poll we had about White I was undecided on him because of his tendency to score a few in a match and then not score for ages. A top striker scores more regularly. The 17 in 37 is good but how many chances has had to score in those games? I suspect it is possibly 1 goal for every 4 or 5 chances. This is a guess tho, I could be wrong.

I think he is potentially an excellent striker and I hope he is able to fulfil that potential.

I like his passion and work ethic I just wish he'd convert more of the chances
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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Smithy on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:08 pm

Well guys I agree with Bertie about his passion and work ethic. You lot are hard to please haha   We all have opinions and that's great   Sorry for trying to convince you to the way I see the big man but he did have most assists too last season Lol

Oh and LF he only came on in one game as a sub and scored as far as I can remember so better starter than a sub IMO.

So I will have to agree with Burchills opinion when he said on radio after the Petrofac Final.

"I made the difficult decision to leave Jordan WHO IS ARGUABLY OUR MOST VALUABLE PLAYER out of the final as I thought he would come on and win it for us"

Well there is one thing we can all agree about White

He didn't win the final but he put the icing on the cake that day
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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Bertie Bassett on Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:46 pm

Indeed...on that we certainly agree! Cool
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Post by Liviforever on Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:50 pm

Certainly won the game against Cowden for us, inspirational stuff from him that day. Still hoping Sheerin can do what Boulding did in that game and hold off defenders to play it through to White inside the box.

Would be great if our defence gets sorted into a settled backline as I think they'll be a lot more solid than last season and we wont need to be scoring 3 or 4 goals to win a game. Callum Carson tweeting we've only 3 players that have started in all our 5 games this season, DJ, Pittman & Sives, that hasn't helped much to have a settled team.
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Post by Smithy on Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:24 pm

Liviforever wrote:Certainly won the game against Cowden for us, inspirational stuff from him that day. Still hoping Sheerin can do what Boulding did in that game and hold off defenders to play it through to White inside the box.

Would be great if our defence gets sorted into a settled backline as I think they'll be a lot more solid than last season and we wont need to be scoring 3 or 4 goals to win a game. Callum Carson tweeting we've only 3 players that have started in all our 5 games this season, DJ, Pittman & Sives, that hasn't helped much to have a settled team.
that's a very good point about a settle team. Also we have had 442 4411 352 formations too. However we have won three out of five so far

CupsRUs this year
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Re: Livi v QoS

Post by Lexi Collector on Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:14 am

Obviously I wasn't there, but if anyone is interested for the cost of an adult ticket to this game I watched a very high quality Bundesliga 2 game with 3 glorious German beers. Very fast paced, the players were technically sound and the atmosphere was class. They had safe standing behind the goals and the atmosphere was very frieldly. The most expensive ticket was 13.50 euros and the ground was full. Best game I've been to in years. The SFA and Scottish clubs like ourselves could learn a thing or 2 of the Germans, but will they bother? Nope, they're a bunch of c****. The referee at the game I went to was first class, him and his officials didn't make a dodgy call all game yet we're left with idiots like Mat Northcroft and lineswomen giving offside calls when guys are 3 yards on. A load of total fuck.
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Post by Bertie Bassett on Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:15 pm

I tried arguing a similar point referencing Bundesliga but given you are talking Bundesliga 2 maybe you'll escape the mockrage that my comments prompted saying that you can't compare a successful, money rich league with our own...of course my point was that we need to learn from them.

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