Championship Expectations (2017/18)

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by LiviCub on Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:45 pm

I'm not doubting the quality of our squad, it's certainly better than what we've had in recent seasons when we've been in this league. In my opinion though, a lot of fans are wearing rose tinted spectacles because we've started so well but we will hit a rough patch and it'll be interesting to see what the thoughts are then of this team.
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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Liviforever on Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:22 pm

From what I've seen of Hoppy and most of the players still here from last season they don't fall apart when they lose a game or 2. They've already shown character in games to win the league, and have beaten the teams we have lost to in the past when the pressure was on.

Even after being pegged back against Dumbarton they won, and that wouldn't have happened a couple of seasons ago.

We didn't actually start so well either, 2 draws and a defeat in our first 3 games. We've gradually got ourselves on a good run and up into 4th place, QoS started well, but have now stumbled the same as they did last season. Dunfermline started well too but are only 1 point ahead of us now, if anything we've shown a steady rise after a stumbling start.

I'm not getting carried away though, my expectation was mid table and we'd be comfortably away from the bottom 2 spots. We'll see where we are at the halfway mark before my expectations will be raised, but I do think we could be dark horses this season, looking forward to the 2nd quarter to see how we do.

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Durnford on Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:12 am

Interesting how things change. So far this season I've not seen anything to particularly worry me (other how could we possible end up losing to St Mirren when against ten men for two thirds of the game).

What happens during the winter transfer window is going to be key; I don't think there's much doubt that some teams may come in with cash offers for some of our players and looking at the size of our gate is it something we're really going to be able to refuse?

Of course this will need to be balanced against the difference prize money for potentially finishing a couple of spots down the league.

If we can keep the team together I do think we've got a strong chance of making the play-off this season - although looking at the current gulf between Premiership and Championship I cant see any of the play-off sides making it through a double header and we are a lot more settled than at the beginning of the season.

Also its interesting to note that the much vaulted Andy Ryan is spending most of his time sitting on the bench at Dunfermline

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by orco on Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:45 am

Durnford wrote:Interesting how things change. So far this season I've not seen anything to particularly worry me (other how could we possible end up losing to St Mirren when against ten men for two thirds of the game).

What happens during the winter transfer window is going to be key; I don't think there's much doubt that some teams may come in with cash offers for some of our players and looking at the size of our gate is it something we're really going to be able to refuse?

Of course this will need to be balanced against the difference prize money for potentially finishing a couple of spots down the league.

If we can keep the team together I do think we've got a strong chance of making the play-off this season - although looking at the current gulf between Premiership and Championship I cant see any of the play-off sides making it through a double header and we are a lot more settled than at the beginning of the season.

Also its interesting to note that the much vaulted Andy Ryan is spending most of his time sitting on the bench at Dunfermline

I'm wondering if it maybe wasn't actually the managers idea to get him. Or maybe they wanted to stop us buying him.

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Durnford on Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:23 pm

orco wrote:I'm wondering if it maybe wasn't actually the managers idea to get him. Or maybe they wanted to stop us buying him.

A reasonable thought but I'm not sure Dunfermline would have really looked at us as a potential threat - before the season started most were looking at us as potential straight back down.

That being said I seem to recall other Championship sides were also looking at him; like when we bought Alex Burns and then hardly plaid him.
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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Liviforever on Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:28 pm

Aye they've done a Sevco on us and stopped us getting a useful striker rather than them actually needing him. Though they're struggling for goals since Cardle's been injured, they went from scoring for fun and being the top scorers in the league to 1 goal in 3 games. Certainty that wee shite Ryan will come on as sub and score against us on Sat though.

Like Durnford I've not seen any team we need to worry about, St Mirren have been a tough team to play but in both games I thought we looked quite comfortable, until we failed to defend a couple of free kicks into our box, and Thomson losing the ball inside our half leading to their opener, doubt any of that will happen again against them.

Really see no reason we can't secure a top 4 place, as long as we hold onto all our current players.

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Durnford on Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:11 pm

Callum Carson wrote:@CallumCarson34 Oct 14
Livi end first quarter with same number of points and fewer goals conceded than at same stage last season - in a lower league. Incredible.
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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Liviforever on Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:07 pm

Wasn't going to say anything till we got to the halfway mark, but I've been thinking for a wee while now that this team coming up into the Championship after winning League One reminds me of the team that came up into the SPL after winning the 1st Div. Everyone tipped us to straight back down but we quietly went about our business and finished the best team outside of the OF in 3rd place, I can really see parallels with that team and this one. Wouldn't surprise me if we shocked everyone and won promotion this season.

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by orco on Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:38 pm

Liviforever wrote:Wasn't going to say anything till we got to the halfway mark, but I've been thinking for a wee while now that this team coming up into the Championship after winning League One reminds me of the team that came up into the SPL after winning the 1st Div. Everyone tipped us to straight back down but we quietly went about our business and finished the best team outside of the OF in 3rd place, I can really see parallels with that team and this one. Wouldn't surprise me if we shocked everyone and won promotion this season.



Steady on there LfL. drunken
I'll settle for survival and aim for the play offs. Thinking about winning the league makes ma heid dizzy. scratch
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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Liviforever on Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:51 pm

orco wrote:
Liviforever wrote:Wasn't going to say anything till we got to the halfway mark, but I've been thinking for a wee while now that this team coming up into the Championship after winning League One reminds me of the team that came up into the SPL after winning the 1st Div. Everyone tipped us to straight back down but we quietly went about our business and finished the best team outside of the OF in 3rd place, I can really see parallels with that team and this one. Wouldn't surprise me if we shocked everyone and won promotion this season.


Steady on there LfL.  drunken
I'll settle for survival and aim for the play offs. Thinking about winning the league makes ma heid dizzy. scratch

Or go up through the play offs, either one would do me. Wink

Long way to go yet and even if we fell away and came 5th or 6th I still would be happy with the players and management, we're punching well above our financial weight this season and as was Hoppy's pre season goal, finishing 8th is about the best we should be hoping for given our budget. But we're far better than that and look capable of pulling off a massive shock this season.

Ever the optimist i'm going for a top 4 finish and depending on where we are by Jan, even possibly challenging for promotion. It's an exciting season for Livi that's for sure. bounce
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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Bertie Bassett on Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:04 am

What happened to low key, flying beneath the radar?

Just glad the team mantra hasn't changed. Survival first, then anything else is a bonus. The points tally we have just now is probably about half way to survival, so we are ahead of schedule; but we will inevitably hit a blip at some point; we reacted well to those last year, it remains to be seen how we will react to them this year.

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Durnford on Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:51 am

I've actually been surprised by the lack of real quality in the opposition; the likes of Morton and Falkirk for example have been bogie teams for us just recently; Dundee United really lacked any form of quality at all.

However the blip, as Bertie says, in previous years may have been partially due to the injuries and suspensions building up during the winter period (fortunately we had a larger squad than pretty much any other team last season - not so this) and the poor state of our pitch really cost us a few points last year.

Hopefully the team's improved fitness will help against the injuries question and maybe, just maybe, the question of the pitch has been resolved.

Time will tell.
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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Liviforever on Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:09 am

Bertie Bassett wrote:What happened to low key, flying beneath the radar?

Just glad the team mantra hasn't changed. Survival first, then anything else is a bonus. The points tally we have just now is probably about half way to survival, so we are ahead of schedule; but we will inevitably hit a blip at some point; we reacted well to those last year, it remains to be seen how we will react to them this year.

Doubt Hoppy or any of our players will be going about saying this, and I wouldn't be saying it on any other forum either, nobody is taking us seriously still, even sitting 2nd in the league and being the form team hasn't raised our profile any. In media reports it was all about how poor Utd were, rather than how we made them look so poor. But hey, everyone we've played has been the same so long may it continue, if nobody is looking at us that closely our job will be made that bit easier.
I was actually surprised reading a Dumbarton player saying he played against us last season at Brechin and didn't expect us to play how we did against Dumbarton, surely their manager will have watched us and seen how we play, we've played the same direct way hitting long balls up the pitch all season.

It can all change in the next quarter right enough but I just get the feeling this team under Hoppy is a bit special, and we will be pretty consistent all season.

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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Durnford on Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:46 am

Liviforever wrote:
Bertie Bassett wrote:What happened to low key, flying beneath the radar?

Just glad the team mantra hasn't changed. Survival first, then anything else is a bonus. The points tally we have just now is probably about half way to survival, so we are ahead of schedule; but we will inevitably hit a blip at some point; we reacted well to those last year, it remains to be seen how we will react to them this year.

Doubt Hoppy or any of our players will be going about saying this, and I wouldn't be saying it on any other forum either, nobody is taking us seriously still, even sitting 2nd in the league and being the form team hasn't raised our profile any. In media reports it was all about how poor Utd were, rather than how we made them look so poor. But hey, everyone we've played has been the same so long may it continue, if nobody is looking at us that closely our job will be made that bit easier.
I was actually surprised reading a Dumbarton player saying he played against us last season at Brechin and didn't expect us to play how we did against Dumbarton, surely their manager will have watched us and seen how we play, we've played the same direct way hitting long balls up the pitch all season.

It can all change in the next quarter right enough but I just get the feeling this team under Hoppy is a bit special, and we will be pretty consistent all season.

There does seem to be a real team spirit with no one player out for themselves (might be why Joe Thomson didn't stay). If that can be maintained then the team will continue to play as a cohesive unit and, with Halkett as the team captain, who can tell how far we can go.

Most will probably agree that we are presently punching above our weight but there's a whole lot to be said about confidence. If anyone wants an example just look at how far Lithgow has progressed - this time last season I questioned whether he was even Div 1 standard; I don't think I've ever seen such an improvement in any player.
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Re: Championship Expectations (2017/18)

Post by Liviforever on Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:31 am

Yeah the one game we really fell apart was St Mirren at home, and Lithgow wasn't playing. Jacko was put in besides Gallagher and Halkett and we conceded 2 goals from free kicks into our box. That might be down to Jacko playing in a back 3 too right enough but he played alongside Lithgow and Halkett as part of a back 3 the game before that one and we beat Morton 2-0.

Lithgow has been outstanding this season, doesn't just boot the ball anywhere to clear it either, he plays some good long balls to set up attacks.

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