Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by LiviLion on Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:51 pm

Liviforever wrote:Nothing on the OS from the club but here's a link to sky interviewing McDougall: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9579074

Livingston chairman Gordon McDougall has told Sky Sports News HQ that the club’s future is not in imminent danger, despite a five-point deduction and £10,000 fine for breaching SPFL tax regulations.

Is someone raking through a bin at the end of that video? Are we that desperate for some money?
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Smithy on Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:04 pm

Lexi Collector wrote:I didn't have much time to post when the news broke as I was in work, but I've had a bit of time to think about everything.

As has been said, the points deduction isn't really anywhere near as serious as the 10K fine. Any amount of money for clubs at this level is hugely significant, but £10,000 isn't an amount of money which can be pulled for mid-air. I have a horrible feeling the court case on Friday will go against us as well, but not only, it'll also be a greater punishment than the one handed to us yesterday. These two, along with the £300K+ lawsuit with Nixon puts us in an absolutely deadly position. Friday will decide the future of this club for sure though - and that's if its not already broken enough. I believe our debt is almost at £2 million, so I see absolutely no positives here.

It's a really sad state of affairs though. Nobody seems to care about this club, all 3 major cases, each of which could see the end to our club, are completely and totally the doing of criminals battling their ego among each other. It seems like such a tragic loss of a football club, but that's the way this club is, and it only seems to be getting worse.

Personally I see no way of our survival in the Championship, but that's not massively significant given the circumstances here. Our major problems lie completely off the pitch. We have a poor squad and a poor management set-up. And please; let this finally be an end to the 'McGlynn out' patter. I don't want him in charge as much as any other Livingston supporter, and feel that he's  beyond tactically inept, and stubborn. However, it costs money to dismiss a manager under contract - we absolutely cannot afford such payments. Ridiculously unnecessary. Consider the future of the club, a string of bad results and a relegation will hurt in the short-term, but losing Livingston Football Club will hurt for a lifetime. I'll go to all home games, and more away games and support the players, as they need it more than ever now. I might not particularly like our current squad, or many of the players as individuals, but I'm a Livingston fan, so I feel all supporters must make the effort to be more supportive than usual.

I'm very concerned and scared for the future of our club though. I've never been one to look at things so terrifyingly bleakly, but I honestly cannot see us escaping. The authorities are going to destroy us, and I don't think our club is strong enough to withstand this. One thing is for certain and that is that if we do pull through, fan/community ownership - whatever is certainly the way forward. Complete scum like Rankine and Nixon should be nowhere near this club, and it's about time we were in safe hands so the club can grow, an be here for future generations. There's serious potential here for a smashing football club, although I don't think it'll ever be realised, which I admit with huge regret and sorrow.

We have not always agreed but great post and you are correct
we all should start supporting the team,all of them,at the games.

Let's all be in this together.

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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Durnford on Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:26 am

Having seen the latest "official announcement" on the OS it actually raises more questions than it answers:

http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/news/news_20141125_1.php

Official Site wrote:This matter was the subject of a voluntary declaration by the club prior to the delayed court hearings, which we expect to quantify the amounts missappropriated by officials of the company

Right; it might have been "voluntary" in the sense that it was going to come out in the court case so put us in a better light, presumably, than allowing someone else to flag it up.

"Amounts missappropriated"? What does this mean; have funds gone missing or did they never exist in the first place?

"Officials of the company" - Why plural? Is there more than one person involved? By "Company" do they mean Livi5? They had previously used the word Club so using Company implies a separate entity?

Fishier than the pesto fish risoto I had last night....
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:17 pm

Nixon was given free reign running Livi so who knows what mess the books are in. They didn't have anyone counter signing cheques, it was only when Rankine came in this happened. Total mess down there, Nixon's businesses were in trouble, think some have gone bankrupt, all looking very messy.

They've accountants going over the books to find out how much tax we haven't paid so could be more than just the tax on players bonuses he's kept back, and the wording "misappropriate" suggests the funds have gone elsewhere.

The court case is heading towards a criminal charge allegation.

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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Durnford on Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:54 pm

Liviforever wrote:Nixon was given free reign running Livi so who knows what mess the books are in. They didn't have anyone counter signing cheques, it was only when Rankine came in this happened. Total mess down there, Nixon's businesses were in trouble, think some have gone bankrupt, all looking very messy.

They've accountants going over the books to find out how much tax we haven't paid so could be more than just the tax on players bonuses he's kept back, and the wording "misappropriate" suggests the funds have gone elsewhere.

The court case is heading towards a criminal charge allegation.

You're probably right but I'd be very surprised if someone was able to get away with this without anyone else being aware or asking questions. For an organisation with a significant percentage taxable revenue turnover, like a football club, not to have accountants is frankly unthinkable - come to think of it wasn't there a story a while back that the club had got rid of their original accountants (or am I dreaming that one)?

As far as I am aware all of Nixon's businesses are now defunct and he's been banned from holding a position of director in any UK registered company.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:28 pm

You'll get away with it long enough to either get yourself out of trouble or dig yourself in really deep if no one is there to check up on what's happening. Sounds like a juggling act was going on and Rankine finally got wind of it.
Should never have been allowed to happen in the first place though, poor management of the club by Livi5.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Bertie Bassett on Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:48 pm

Bigger organisations than Livi have been fleeced by a dodgy dealer in charge of that organisations finances & they can get away with it for as long as they are able to "hide" what they are doing in the "books".

If the allegations that it happened due to Nixon's dodgy dealings are accurate then it shouldn't come as a surprise that the truth is coming to light after his departure from the club. On the other hand has his departure from the club simply given some other dodgy dealer the opportunity to make Nixon the scapegoat?

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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:57 pm

Bertie Bassett wrote:Bigger organisations than Livi have been fleeced by a dodgy dealer in charge of that organisations finances & they can get away with it for as long as they are able to "hide" what they are doing in the "books".

If the allegations that it happened due to Nixon's dodgy dealings are accurate then it shouldn't come as a surprise that the truth is coming to light after his departure from the club. On the other hand has his departure from the club simply given some other dodgy dealer the opportunity to make Nixon the scapegoat?


I worked with a guy that used our works van to load some roofing tiles for a homer he was doing, had use of the van when the driver was on holiday. He got caught by the company and they lumped on all the tiles their records showed was missing/down onto his theft, tried to say he'd used a ford escort van to take 15,000 tiles away in one go. Laughing
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Bertie Bassett on Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:44 pm

You'd be surprised how spacious those escort vans used to be jocolor lol!
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We're the Victims of Theft

Post by Liviforever on Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:11 pm

I see the papers have picked up on our OS statement, and have printed their interpretation in the headlines: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/were-victims-theft-claim-livingston-4703892

Pretty much what we took from the misappropriation of funds comment right enough.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by HoudaBetsy on Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:38 pm

@ScottishFA: Judicial Panel Tribunal relating to Livingston has been adjourned pending further written submissions, required to be received by 8/12/14.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:40 pm

This isny half dragging on, wish they would just get it over with so we know what is going to happen.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by HoudaBetsy on Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:53 pm

SFA Judicial Panel Hearing 28th November 2014 9.30am at Hampden Park
Dual Interest in Clubs of Livingston FC Majority Shareholder Neil Rankine
Statement relative to the above hearing.

The club’s representatives attended the final day of the above hearing to give evidence in the Scottish FA’s complaint alleging a dual interest between the officers of Livingston FC and both East Fife FC and Dumbarton FC.

I am pleased that the SFA have decided no longer to proceed with the charges concerning Dumbarton FC and that they have also dropped one of the charges.

Regarding the submission of a return to the SFA. Livingston FC will be making further written submissions via it’s legal representatives and are confident thatthe Judicial Panel will resolve the case in an appropriate manner.

Gordon McDougall
Chairman
On Behalf of Livingston FC
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Bertie Bassett on Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:29 pm

So they are not proceeding concerning Dumbarton & have dropped one of the charges...does this mean they are still proceeding concerning East Fife or is that the charge that has been dropped?

And what is this about "a return to the SFA"? I know we had a transfer embargo for the tax thing but I hadn't heard that we were not in the SFA & if that is the case why were we allowed to compete in the SFA Cup?

Why do our club statements only ever raise more questions rather than provide answers?
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:36 pm

Sounds promising anyway if the Dumbarton case has been dropped. Providing he has no links on paper to EF then he/Livi are in the clear.

No idea what the SFA thing is, have we forgotten to fill in some paperwork to them too?
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:24 pm

A bit more info in the Edin news: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/livingston/livingston-asked-for-more-neil-rankine-evidence-1-3619757

Club chairman Gordon McDougall told the Evening News: “It’s maybe a tad optimistic to expect to get away with the lot but, at the end of the day, it depends on the judicial panel. I am hopeful but they can have whatever view they want.

“The legal submissions must now be in by December 8 for consideration by the panel. In other words, that is the three days of evidence from the lawyers for the panel to then judge on. But it could go to another meeting as they told us yesterday as they may want another day to go over things.”
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by djs9750 on Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:44 am

Looks like Nixon is determined to kill us off.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Whitburn Vale on Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:42 am

This is old news,the bbc hav just rehashed the Nixon court case story,the case is due to be heard in March,or maybe it was someone inside the club who hav rehashed the story,it's funny it's came out the day, we find out what's happening with part 2 of Rankine's SFA hearing

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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Durnford on Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:40 pm

Actually I think its a bit more sinister that a simple rehash. It was apparent when Nixon applied for the delay that the revied date was close to the cup final; at that stage he expected us to have a bumper cash tie with the rangers and the club's financial position would be promising. In that circumstance he would have a reasonable chance of settling out of court or whatever for a lump sum.

Now that its Alloa the pay day is going to be that much less and I suspect he's now regretting delaying the hearing.

Still maybe one of his pals will be able to confirm (although I wouldn't hold your breath on that)
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Lexi Collector on Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:19 pm

What a fucking scumbag. Players and staff who have rent/mortgages and families to look after, and he pipes up with this bile. No chance will he be successful with this, but it's purely the principle.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:23 pm

Just what the players need to hear after their efforts this week, and being expected to fight just as hard against Falkirk on Sat. Not making it easy for ourselves with this shit going on as well.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Smithy on Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:43 pm

Nixon is a ?.......fill in the blanks I know what I think.

One bright moment in the season on Saturday and now this.

Joke!
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Liviforever on Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:19 pm

Yeah it's one step forward then two steps back.

First bit of joy in weeks with an emphatic win and everyone on a high, then BOOM, this hits the club/players/fans in the guts.
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Re: Rankine v Nixon: The fall Out.

Post by Whitburn Vale on Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:05 am

How can any court take this man seriously,he's got failed business's to his cv,the club got fined and deducted points due to him not declaring to the tax man bout his bonus payments,he's a shyster, hopefully the court of session kick his appeal into touch next week.Maybe he has an alternative plan up his sleeve,we go bust,the bold ged picks up the pieces and we start again as say Livingston Town or Livingston AFC in the Scottish Lowland Football League,they've got two places up for grabs next season.

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